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Hi im currently looking to get a new bike. I've rode dirtbikes many times and even driven my friends street bikes a couple of times. Im taking a motorcycle coarse in two weeks as well.
I have a bunch of friends who ride and most of them started on 600s and are fine. I'm thinking about getting a new 250 ninja, but when i went to the dealership i saw the new 600 gsxrs and the salesmen told me about their new feature that has 3 different modes were you can actually tone down the power of the bike and was wondering if that might be a good bike to start out on because you could tone up the power as your skill increases meaning you wouldn't have to spend more money to upgrade later. I have a bunch of friends who ride and most of them started on 600s and haven't totaled them yet but can't ride for shit unless it's an interstate straightaway.Fixed it for you. You were on the right track to begin with. Don't listen to the salesman- most of them are trying to sell you a bike, period. They'd start you on a busa they thought you'd go for it. In C mode on the new 600 the throttle is more forgiving, but the brakes and suspension aren't.
Buy a 250 or some other newbie friendly bike and learn to really ride. I started on a friends 1000. Not a good Idea. Next bought a 600 a 600 in my opinion is not a good Idea. They will do 150 to 160 and life happens extreamly fast at that speed and no beginer rider has any business even close to that. A guy is a guy is a guy I did it and so will you. Buy the 600 and you will test it out way before you are ready.
Get a gs 500f they are great starter bikes. It has enough power you wont fell like you left your balls at home. It will do 120 I have done it on my wifes. It handels great. Stops fine has plenty of upgrade stuff to do to it. To get the hp up 15 or so on several sights i could show you and it gets 50mpg even when you are playing with it. You will not win drag races with your bodies but I own a gsxr 1000 and a gs500f I ride them both and love them both.
Starting on a 600 is a bad idea trust me I have been there cause the first time your friend takes of and starts racing you will follow and yours skills may not be ready thats nothing against you even motogp racers had to learn to ride at some point. I have to disagree with some of the people here. I started on my 02 GSXR 600.
I had several friends who did the same and did just as you would expect, landing one of them in the hospital and learning to walk again. So safe to say I started out scared. I ride with a friend of mine who has a 929RR and he rarely gets on it or rides wheelies. I've never had my bike past 127mph. If your patient and willing to learn, instead of showing off, you can start on a 600 and never have any issues. I'll admit, I've gone down by taking a corner too fast and slipping on the centerline. My personal opinion is don't by a new bike for your first bike, buy a used one so when you go down(and you will) you won't feel as bad and your insurance will be lower.
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Im pretty much just adding on to what has been said previously. I started on my 04 GSXR 600 as well, however, I have a significant motocross background. If you are someone who likes to show off (maybe you cant admit this to yourself, but seriously think about it.) start with something smaller.there is always temptation.
I get on my bike every time I ride with all my gear and with a little bit of fear, not to the point of causing nervousness, but enough to make me pay VERY close attention to what I am doing and to my surroundings. Keep these things in mind and know things could change in an instant, and you will be just fine. Im pretty much just adding on to what has been said previously. I started on my 04 GSXR 600 as well, however, I have a significant motocross background. If you are someone who likes to show off (maybe you cant admit this to yourself, but seriously think about it.) start with something smaller.there is always temptation. I get on my bike every time I ride with all my gear and with a little bit of fear, not to the point of causing nervousness, but enough to make me pay VERY close attention to what I am doing and to my surroundings. Keep these things in mind and know things could change in an instant, and you will be just fine.I completely agree.
I've always been told that if you don't fear and respect your bike it can kill you in an instant. When I fell I realized that I had become too confident on my bike and was trying to push beyond my skills. The damage was minor, but if it had been a new bike I would have been really pissed. Instead I was just glad I was unhurt and could keep ridin. Go with what you feel comfortable on. If you trust yourself to have the self-control on a 600GSXR go for it. Otherwise get something a little smaller.
And always wear your gear. I completely agree. I've always been told that if you don't fear and respect your bike it can kill you in an instant. When I fell I realized that I had become too confident on my bike and was trying to push beyond my skills. The damage was minor, but if it had been a new bike I would have been really pissed. Instead I was just glad I was unhurt and could keep ridin.
Go with what you feel comfortable on. If you trust yourself to have the self-control on a 600GSXR go for it. Otherwise get something a little smaller.
And always wear your gear. Titus very well put. In response to your first bike.go to all the dealerships sit on all the bike in the lower classes.rock it, see which one you feel the most comfortable on. I am 5'2' and I ride an 07 gsxr 600. It handles great.
Very light - that can be good and bad. Very tempting to play with it a bit, but I'll agree with everyone else, its fast! You don't wanta brand new bike for your first - although make sure when you do you get framesliders before your first ride. The very first time I got on a bike, I layed it down. Luckily on some grass, and I held it tight so it went down real slow (didn't even scratch it) before I even got it out of the driveway.just lost balance - being so short and all. The framesliders held it off the ground. But I will say in that case lighter is better.You need to be able to pick up your bike by yourself in the event it goes down.
Gsx 600 is an alright bike for beginners.just be sure you know your limits. Just because I have a bike worthy of racing doesn't mean I rocket around town. Couldn't afford insurance if I got a ticket anyway. Happy hunting.
I have on 07 600. Its the first bike ive owned. Got it as a left over with 0 miles on it. I would have got a 750 but i didnt want to spend more money.
The first bike i ever rode was a 98 gsxr 750. If you arent stupid on it you will be fine. Some of my buddies rip wheelies and go faster than i do but i just watch them. I hit 100 on my bike about a week after i got it. And im sure one day ill go alot faster.
Just be smart til you are used to riding. Dont feel like you have to keep up with anyone. Just go your own pace. The first bike I ever rode was 2005 R1. I was quite intimidated by it at first, and really respected it's available power. Every time I go out on the street, I ride like it's the street.
Every time I go to the track, I ride like it's the track. Don't get the two mixed up, and you should be fine. But like I have read before, these bikes are less forgiving.
When you take your rider course, you'll see how the 250 rides. It's MUCH MUCH MUCH more forgiving than an 'r' bike.
Even at full throttle. After reading through this forum and seeing 'R bikes are not beginner bikes' every where, I think back to myself, 'damn, maybe I should have bought that 250 in '05.' To this day, I haven't been on a 600cc. The first bike I ever rode was 2005 R1. I was quite intimidated by it at first, and really respected it's available power.
Every time I go out on the street, I ride like it's the street. Every time I go to the track, I ride like it's the track. Don't get the two mixed up, and you should be fine. But like I have read before, these bikes are less forgiving. When you take your rider course, you'll see how the 250 rides. It's MUCH MUCH MUCH more forgiving than an 'r' bike. Even at full throttle.
After reading through this forum and seeing 'R bikes are not beginner bikes' every where, I think back to myself, 'damn, maybe I should have bought that 250 in '05.' To this day, I haven't been on a 600cc.There's a reason for progression through the smaller cc's to large cc's. It applies to street and even more so on the track. I'd get a Ninja 250. Stop being concerned about image. Here's the most retarded thing I see new riders doing.
Buy a brand new bike or some super clean. Then they'll crash the bike, pretty early on, weither its 15 miles or 3000 miles, (or even drop it!) Then they'll go out and buy a brand new set of fairings. Only to crash it again or drop it.
Why not don't fix it and keep riding that bitch! Fix it only if its not ridable! It makes no sense to keep dumping money only so you can 'look good.' Haha And they all claim at the begining they don't want to get bored, or they'll out grow the bike and it has nothing to do with image! Blah, makes no sense! No 600cc sportbike is a 'good beginner' bike.you can buy that k8 600 and take it easy until you progress and learn to ride it the way it was meant to be ridden. But by the time you go from C mode to B mode to A mode, you'll get tired of it and lose your lust for the bike.
Then you'd want a 1000. Speaking of starting on 1000's, ive ridden thru the canyons with riders who have the same amount of experience as me. Thing is they started out on 1000's and have ridden nothing less than 600s. THE WORST riders i've ever encountered as far as skills go. To answer your question: you can buy that k8 600 and take it easy until you progress and learn to ride it the way it was meant to be ridden.
But by the time you go from C mode to B mode to A mode, you'll get tired of it and lose your lust for the bike. Then you'd want a 1000. Speaking of starting on 1000's, ive ridden thru the canyons with riders who have the same amount of experience as me. Thing is they started out on 1000's and have ridden nothing less than 600s.
THE WORST riders i've ever encountered as far as skills go.Opinions vary, rider skills vary as well. I've never wanted a liter bike when I can do everything a liter bike can do on my 6's.other than go 170+ but that doesn't take any real skill.
I started on a 02 GSXR 600 and have moved up to a 07 GSXR 750. I did ok on the 600 and took my time. Never tried to ride too hard or past my abilities. I do the same thing with the 750. I am still learning, and have a long way to go. I would suggest buying an older, used bike just for the fact you have a pretty high chance of dropping the bike.
Messing up an older bike will feel a lot better than wrecking the plastic on a brand new bike. Also finding replacement parts will be easier and cheaper for an older bike. I think you could start on a brand new bike but in the long run you will be happier starting on a used bike.
Resale on bikes is pretty good even if the plastic is trashed a little bit so you probably won't lose too much when you sell the bike and put up to a newer bike. I gotta say in the little time ive spent on this forum ive come to like it.
But what i dont like is how many people say that he WILL dump his bike. The only bikes ive dumped were a moped with a bald rear tire i was riding in my yard and slipped on the grass weaving around some bushes and my dirt bike when i treid to wheelie it. And i have very little experience on bikes in general. I was always into 4-wheelers. People telling him he is going to dump the bike is a little messed up. When i went to the dealer to get my bike a month and a half ago the last time i rode a bike was like 3 years ago when a buddy of mine stopped by and i took his TL1000 a mile down my road and back.
I havent dumped or dropped my bike yet. I just ride my own pace and not worry if people want to race or rip wheelies. Let them do their thing and you do yours and you'll be fine. Its interesting that in Europe they have graduated motorcycle licenses which limit a new rider to 600 cc's and you have to have a number of years under your butt (and have to test) in order to get authorization to buy a bigger bike. Ive heard the testing is almost impossible which is why you dont see litre bikes for sale over there-the US imports almost all the litre bikes because of the lack of restrictions. Why dont they do that in the US?
It still wouldnt prevent a newbie from buying a 600 but at least they couldnt buy a 750 or a litre bike (regardless of how old it is).AND no one is allowed to buy a bike without the motorcycle endorsement (in Europe). How many thousands of lives could be saved if we just adopted these rules???
Its interesting that in Europe they have graduated motorcycle licenses which limit a new rider to 600 cc's and you have to have a number of years under your butt (and have to test) in order to get authorization to buy a bigger bike. Ive heard the testing is almost impossible which is why you dont see litre bikes for sale over there-the US imports almost all the litre bikes because of the lack of restrictions. Why dont they do that in the US? It still wouldnt prevent a newbie from buying a 600 but at least they couldnt buy a 750 or a litre bike (regardless of how old it is).AND no one is allowed to buy a bike without the motorcycle endorsement (in Europe).
How many thousands of lives could be saved if we just adopted these rules???Noooooo, it's a little bit more complicated than that, and it's age dependent. Generally, there are three classes - 125 cc machines, 250-400 cc machines, and 'full power' motorcycles.
The exact breakdown can be found here. I also started on a 06 600 brand new from the dealer.
I went to the dmv that day, got my permit, and that evening i hada new bike. I Had no experience what so ever riding before, and i was lucky i didn't go down.
After a year i sold it. So i didn't ride for a year. A year later just a few months ago, i went and bought another brand new bike.
This time a 750. I got my permit again, and this time around i took the msf course a week after having the bike.
I cant stress to you how important i think it is for every rider to take this class or one equivalent to it. They just train you in different ways.
Its just little details that i really that were important for every rider to know. Like i said i was like i didn't go down my first time around and this time i am taking it easy still. What might of helped me is that i am a big guy, 6'4 270 pounds. So the bike was more forgiving due to my weight, lol. Also don't get to confident or cocky because that is when the problems start. We can all tell you from experience and what not, but in the end when it comes down to it, it is going to be up to you.
How you decide to spend you're money, and if you are going to truly take our advice and opinions. None the less welcome to you're soon to be addiction, and safe riding.
When i went to the dealer to get my bike a month and a half ago the last time i rode a bike was like 3 years ago when a buddy of mine stopped by and i took his TL1000 a mile down my road and back. I havent dumped or dropped my bike yet.a month and a half is pretty much straight out the dealership. Im not saying a newb is gonna dump it the first 5 miles, but every rider given time IS gonna dump it sooner or later.
I've had my k7 for a year and a ninja 500 for 2 years before that never went down, but im still waiting. You can only take it easy for so long before youre like 'ok im ready to push it a bit'. Noooooo, it's a little bit more complicated than that, and it's age dependent. Generally, there are three classes - 125 cc machines, 250-400 cc machines, and 'full power' motorcycles. The exact breakdown can be found here: I'm all for the European approach to motorcycle licensing. You should have to earn your way up to better bikes.
This could possibly keep insurance rates lower, less accidents/deaths/injuries, and the extinction of squids and parking lot pimps (who's gonna want to pimp a Vespa in the U.S. And a streched Ninja 250 is hardly cool). The 500 ninja or the 500 gs suzuki are awsome bikes I own one and love to ride it. There are days I choose it over my 1000.
They are plenty upgradeable. Dont listen to anyone telling you a 600 is a beginner bike. I started on a 1000 and my first bike i owned was a r6 and that got me in trouble.
Weather you want to admit it or not and all these other guys included. You will test out what it will do long before you are ready. In my opinion the most dangerious time is after you have loged about 3 to 4 thousand miles.
Now you are getting pretty comfortable on it and think you know how to tame the animal. I am still a beginner in my eyes. I have over 50000 miles loged on 5 different classes of sportbikes and thats nothing. I a 600 is not a beginner bike I wish someone would have really pounded that in my head when i started. The new ones have 130 hp or so that may not seem like much compared to the busa or 1000 but when you compare they will smoke any production street car out there. Would you have been ready at 16 to jump in a c6 corvet or a mustang cobra.
The answer to that is no. And a modern 600 will put both of those to shame with a equal riders on both.
The 250 is underpowered for a big guy and they get tossed around like toys in the wind. The 500s are the perfect starter bike in my opinion because they have plenty of power that you wont fell like you left your balls at home. They dont get tossed in the wind as much and both the gs and the ninja are very reliable stable bike. Light and easy to handel and very forgiving for new riders.
A month and a half is pretty much straight out the dealership. Im not saying a newb is gonna dump it the first 5 miles, but every rider given time IS gonna dump it sooner or later. I've had my k7 for a year and a ninja 500 for 2 years before that never went down, but im still waiting. You can only take it easy for so long before youre like 'ok im ready to push it a bit'. Im not sure what you mean, 'a month and a half is pretty much straight out of the dealership'. When you say given time every rider is gonna go down, do you mean from rider error or inexperience?
He means that some of us have been riding for several years, and that a month and a half isn't very long at all. I didn't drop my first bike until I had been riding for 3 1/2 months. I locked up the front brake on a patch of ice. I haven't dropped one since then, but it doesn't mean I will never drop one again.
One day I will probably make a mistake that I won't be able to recover from until too late. I still make mistakes. But with over 50,000 miles of riding experience I am capable of correcting most of them before I drop the bike. I am not looking forward to that day, but I'm not deluding myself into believing it won't happen either. Rider error is often caused by inexperience. Im not sure what you mean, 'a month and a half is pretty much straight out of the dealership'.
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When you say given time every rider is gonna go down, do you mean from rider error or inexperience?yea what i meant by that is a month and a half of having a bike is still new. Its kinda like saying 'i just brought it home from the dealership, and havent dumped it yet.' And a rider who hasn't gone down, will go down eventually whether its from rider error, inexperience (which leads to rider error), or from some other jerk on the road (which can be avoided most of the time by experience).
For what it's worth, I just bought a K8 GSX-R600. I just finished my MSF course this weekend and it was $230 very well spent.
I learned some invaluable things about riding. I've ridden before, but only friend's bikes and only a few times, so I'm pretty much new. I use the SDMS (the feature you're talking about that changes engine power) every time I ride. I keep it in C (the lowest setting) most of the time. It definitely helps 'calm' the bike, but at the end of the day, this is an R bike, and she wants to go.
I love my bike, but she's a beast, and there's no power setting that will change what it was made for. If I had it all to do over again, I probably would've bought a GS500F. Now, though, I'll have to learn with what I have and try my best to enjoy it while I do. Just my $0.02. I grew up riding dirt bikes.
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Racing moto X and such. Always had a hot bike. Did a lot of rode riding as a kid on the dirt bikes. Got my k5 1k about 9 days ago now. Haven't been on a bike for a good 8 years. And my 1k fits like a glove. Haven't had any sort of an issue with 'too much bike' it's a simple matter of riding just below your comfort level.
Don't get a sissy bike. Just don't be an idiot. I haven't even broken 170mph yet. Full slash cut, tre, pc3, jetted, dynod 164 rwhp at 5200 miles.
Now at 10,322. Buy whatever bike you want.You can die going 80 on a 250 ninja or a busa.Use you brain, give it some serious thought, if you dont think you can handle a bigger bike then go with the smaller one. The bike will only go as fast as u let it.Though I agree that you can die on any motorcycle. The margin for error varies inversely to the number of cc's. I could twist the throttle from lock to lock on my wife's old Ninja 250. If I did that on my 600, 1000, or 848, I would be on my back.
A new rider does not always have the skill to accurately modulate the throttle or the brakes of a bigger bike. Maybe in normal day to day riding from point 'A' to point 'B' they will be fine. When the situation changes things can go bad in a hurry. Road conditions (Sand/Wet), traffic avoidance, accident avoidance. A bigger bike can make handling those situations much more difficult for an inexperienced rider. You can go to youtube and see many videos of people learning to ride on 'bigger bikes'.
It usually ends up bad. I'm not saying go buy a Ninja 250 but if a rider possesses no street experience, it would behuve them to start small and work up. You can pick up an older used 250 or 500 for usually $1000 or less, ride it for a year or so, then move up. Not only will you save on insurance but you will probably be a far better rider than those that started on large bikes. I'm just saying.
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